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    • CommentAuthorAsmodai
    • CommentTimeMay 24th 2010
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    In the ideal case the start title contains the name and is in the first scene, and the end title has "The End" or smth scandinavian. However, this isn't always the case, so the guidelines I use are:

    Start title shot: The shot with the name of the film, wherever in the film this is (after the first scene, at the start of the end credits, or just at the beginning where it belongs).
    End title shot: The last shot of the film before the end-credits role, preferably with the end on it, but sometimes that's not possible so then I use the last regular shot.

    So in the case of Public Enemies, I'd use your end title shot as start title, and take a new end title shot. But that's just me ;)
    • CommentAuthorMisterZob
    • CommentTimeMay 24th 2010
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    Yep, I would go for what Asmodai just wrote.
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      CommentAuthorRazzomega
    • CommentTimeMay 24th 2010
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    Ok, it's the guidelines then?
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      CommentAuthorZythux
    • CommentTimeMay 24th 2010 edited
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    What about movies that have been done different already?

    Like http://whatthemovie.com/movie/the_ring/snapshots

    Should I re-upload the title as title still and ask a moderator to delete the end title?
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      CommentAuthorRazzomega
    • CommentTimeMay 24th 2010 edited
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    If they should be changed then I have problems with those two:
    Touch of Evil: http://whatthemovie.com/movie/touch_of_evil/snapshots
    Pans Labyrinth: http://whatthemovie.com/movie/el_laberinto_del_fauno/snapshots
    • CommentAuthorMisterZob
    • CommentTimeMay 24th 2010
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    There were movies done one way and others done different way before we had this discussion. Whatever is chosen, mods or admins will have to do something.
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      CommentAuthorRazzomega
    • CommentTimeMay 24th 2010
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    Anyway I do think a shot without any words in is a bit wrong. Those shots could maybe have been in FF instead.
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      CommentAuthorZythux
    • CommentTimeMay 24th 2010
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    I do agree with that. Don't really like the 'last still of the movie' as an end shot. I prefer no shot at all in those occasions.
    • CommentAuthordekolta
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    I did that with Ponyo: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/83708
    The movie goes to a little circle and doesn't have a 'the end' text, so I thought that would be better than nothing.

    But I think 'Start Title' confuses people. I think it should just be changed to Title Shot and End Shot. Then you can explain that Title Shot has to contain the Title (of some sort) and the End Shot, well the last shot of the movie.
    • CommentAuthordekolta
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    OK, I spoke with tliff on the chat and he said me to remind him this. He also says that the first shot should contain its title whether its in the beginning or end of the movie. I, therefore, remind him to change Start Title and End Title at the upload screen to 'Title Shot' and 'End Shot' as that much more clearly explains it.
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      CommentAuthorMicron
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    If there's no start shot or end shot but a screen with an oneliner or some other text, I think you should upload that shot. For example: I did this for Apocalypto ( http://whatthemovie.com/movie/apocalypto/snapshots ). At the beginning of the movie there's a quote and at the end there's a title shot. If you would upload the title shot as 'start shot', the quote would be deleted and there wouldn't be any end shot. I think that's a pity, because I think those 'quote' shots are a kind of start and end shots of a movie.
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      CommentAuthorenerg
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    Do Collateral: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/84476
    Had to watch the whole movie to find it, but hey, that's not a huge problem.
    • CommentAuthordekolta
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010 edited
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    @Micron
    That's why I asked 'Tliff', the founder of this site. He said the first should always contain the title shot, and that's why I suggested to change 'Start Title' to 'Title Shot'. With Apocalypto you should have done the Title as the first where you now have the quote.
    • CommentAuthorLordMyst
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    apocalypto doesnt have a title shot only an end shot
    • CommentAuthorMisterZob
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010 edited
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    Please, LM, read everything we talked about. Yes, the Apocalypto title appears during the closing credits. Thus it's possible to make a shot of the title for this movie, a Title Shot. We're just saying this Title Shot should be uploaded as a Start Title shot, even if it's actually from the end credits. tliff seems to be thinking the same way.
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      CommentAuthorthem00ch
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    My tuppence for what its worth:

    Totally agree with MisterZob, tliff, krukev etc.. The "title shot" should say the name of the movie, whether this appears in the start, middle or end of the movie. We should rename "start title" to just "title".
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    a perfect getaway DONE
    • CommentAuthordekolta
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    Indeed, them00ch. That's what I suggested and it will be changed soon (I hope). Than it will be much clearer what to upload.

    (BTW, Rebel without a cause is done too)
    • CommentAuthordekolta
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010 edited
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    --={ EDIT }=--
    THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO WORK, and I deleted my text.


    What about these shots. This movie is not allowed I believe as on IMDB there is a (V) behind its title.
    http://whatthemovie.com/movie/smokin_aces_2_assassins_ball/snapshots
    However, there is a start and end shot, but I don't see the purpose in uploading that.
    • CommentAuthorAsmodai
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    I have uploaded a few opening shots for V/TV things, but only because they were already in the database and I had the shots ready. Maybe the whole movie will be deleted one day, maybe not, and the shots aren't in FF anyways.
    • CommentAuthordekolta
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    I see, there is not really a purpose in deleting it. However, it would be better if it got deleted.

    I also changed my last post, maybe someone can fix that if they know what I mean.
    • CommentAuthorMisterZob
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    @krukev

    I tried the procedure on Apocalypto: something's wrong.
    I was able to unassign both shots. But I can't re-assign the Title Shot. Maybe somebody else can: ID is 66609
    • CommentAuthordekolta
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    Weird, that it doesn't work. It also won't work with me. I will ask LordMyst to re-up again.
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      CommentAuthorthem00ch
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    That's because the shot was uploaded as a title, instead of an existing shot in the archive which was assigned. When you unassign it, it is no longer in the title slot, but is still marked as part of the "title" queue, because that is what it was uploaded as. And you can only assign shots that are in the archive queue :)

    Short answer, there's no way around it other than to re-upload it I'm afraid.
    • CommentAuthordekolta
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    That's why I edited my post, and I already sended a message to LordMyst. WTM said he was currently online when I sended the shout, but I hope he uploads it fast. So that shot stays with Wouter.
    • CommentAuthorTalie
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    And what about movies which aren't on the list ? For example La città delle donne - when someone will upload the missing shot should write here, that was done or not mentioned at all ?
    • CommentAuthordekolta
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    This one, I believe, is wrong as there is no text at all in the title: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/62615
    • CommentAuthorMisterZob
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    It's not even from DVD. ;)
    • CommentAuthorChrisy
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    I think you will find a lot of title shots without text, especially end titles because the rule has never been made clear ;)
    • CommentAuthordekolta
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010 edited
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    Also this one isn't a movie title: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/53637
    But shouldn't the start title contain at least text? Otherwise it has nothing to do with title and you can just upload it in NS. I'm not talking about end shots here, I think they can just contain the last still of the movie.
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      CommentAuthorenerg
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    Yeah, this shot should be replaced. It's not a title shot!
    • CommentAuthorAsmodai
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    I think that in the rare occasions where there is no title shot at all (neither at beginning, nor end), you can take the next best shot. Some movies start with a still that represents the movie, even more end with one. In my opinion these shots also work fine as title shots, when nothing better is available.
    • CommentAuthordekolta
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    Mm, maybe it is then a good idea to post that underneath the shot in a shout.
    Then we can put the movies here that just have a movie still without a title and someone with a DVD can check if there is a title shot.

    So, can someone check if Shrek has a title shot? It probably has, but can someone check and then make a snapshot? I don't have this movie.
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    What about this one http://whatthemovie.com/shot/59555

    There is a shot of the title a couple of minutes in...
    • CommentAuthordekolta
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010 edited
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    Indeed, I checked and the WATCHMEN title is there in a great shot. So this should be deleted or replaced. But why did FUCKADUCK upload it, I would think he knew what a title shot is.
    And what about this, it has fuzzy subtitles undernearth: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/59604 ??
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    • CommentAuthorJohannaP
    • CommentTimeMay 26th 2010
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    I uploaded As good as it gets and Closer. Wel just "Clo" actually, it moves along the screen..
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      CommentAuthorRazzomega
    • CommentTimeMay 27th 2010
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    "The Maltese Falcon" and "The Limits of Control" are updated :)
    • CommentAuthorAsmodai
    • CommentTimeMay 28th 2010 edited
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    Danny the Dog done: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85126
    Three Kings done: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85128

    Also, not from list:
    The Count of Monte-Cristo (Yes, I know it's TV, but the movie was already in the db, so might as well give it a title shot till it gets deleted or smth): http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85131
    First Knight: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85132
    Glas (Short, but also already in DB): http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85133

    That's it for tonight, H and further tomorrow! :P
    • CommentAuthorAsmodai
    • CommentTimeMay 29th 2010
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    Today I did:
    I'll Sleep when I'm Dead: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85264
    Pale Rider: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85265
    Meet Joe Black: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85345
    Monster: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85343
    Metallica - Some Kind of Monster: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85346
    The Last Temptation of Christ: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85347
    Jersey Girl: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85348 (yes yes, I am ashamed :()
    Sagebrush Trail: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85271
    Riders of Destiny: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85274
    The Man from Utah: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85276
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      CommentAuthorRazzomega
    • CommentTimeMay 29th 2010
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      CommentAuthorRazzomega
    • CommentTimeMay 29th 2010 edited
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    And now I have more title shots than you Asmodai, I challenge you ;).
    I uploaded
    "Harvey" and "The Manchurian Candidate" end titles + The Best Years of our lives titles: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85403 http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85404 :D!
    Edit updated some more:
    "Grapes of wrath" "My Darling Clementine" and "The Miracle on 34th street"
    2nd Edit: Updated "Trail of the pink panther", "Paths of glory" end shot and "Au Revoir Les Enfants" :D!
    • CommentAuthorAsmodai
    • CommentTimeMay 29th 2010 edited
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    Oh, you want me to start uploading end titles as well then? ;)
    Challenge accepted :P

    EDIT: When movies have no real "The End" shots, what also works for me is to do the first end-credits shot (if it's a proper shot, not just a scrolling list of names). Usually this is something as: Directed by: X
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      CommentAuthorRazzomega
    • CommentTimeOct 1st 2010 edited
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    Hi, can you please delete this title shot http://whatthemovie.com/shot/110368 there is a shot where the real title is :)!
    Thanks!
    Edit: Done
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      CommentAuthor0
    • CommentTimeOct 30th 2010 edited
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    Until now, all title snapshots I've uploaded either had the original title or an english/american title. While I think its better to upload the title shots with the original title, it's not always easy to get a DVD edition with the good title on it...
    My question is, since I have the french edition for this movie ( http://whatthemovie.com/movie/starcrash ) and the title neither is the original one nor the english one, is it OK to upload the title shot with a french "subtitle" ?
    • CommentAuthorMisterZob
    • CommentTimeOct 31st 2010
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    We prefer you don't.
    Some title shots have been uploaded with an alternate language subtitle. They will be replaced when the replacement feature is extended to title shots.
    BTW, you don't have to worry about *this* title shot any more. ;)
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      CommentAuthor0
    • CommentTimeOct 31st 2010
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    @MisterZob: I'm not really surprised about this one, since my shots of this movie looked absolutely crappy compared to yours, I was sure you somehow didn't own the french edition of this film :-D
    Anyway, what's the "rule" for uploading title shots:
    - original title only ?
    - english (international) title accepted ?
    • CommentAuthorMisterZob
    • CommentTimeOct 31st 2010
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    What we want is the original title.
    But it's not always available or easy to find.
    So I guess an english title is better than nothing.
    • CommentAuthorAsmodai
    • CommentTimeMar 23rd 2012
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    I thought I'd give this topic a small bump. A list with the top 100 movies without title shots can be found on http://whatthemovie.com/page/titles
    • CommentAuthorAntituur
    • CommentTimeMar 23rd 2012
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    Done The Karate Kid, Anvil and Den brysomme mannen.