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    • CommentAuthorNimmy
    • CommentTimeSep 30th 2008
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    When you want to enter the name of a movie, you can always enter it without the special chars. As an exemple, you can write "Kh jik" instead of "Kôhî jikô". I perfectly understand why you do this. However, it has a major drawback. Someone uploaded a snapshot of stalker, which is really called Сталкер.
    Now you see the problem. All characters in the name are special characters so that you actually guess the movie correctly if you don't write any character at all ! You may try it yourself. Stalker is the movie numbered WARNING SPOILER WARNING SPOILER WARNING SPOILER six zero four END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER.
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      CommentAuthortliff
    • CommentTimeSep 30th 2008
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    the idea was to remove characters like : - ( ) , ' from the solutions but here it fails really hard (damn you utf8!)
    We only count alphanumeric characters but i assume it would be better to leave titles as they are and only remove interpunctuation
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      CommentAuthortliff
    • CommentTimeSep 30th 2008
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    oh, and if you have suggestions for a smarter way, feel free to post here
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      CommentAuthornaut
    • CommentTimeOct 1st 2008
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    And we should definitly remove foreign articles like "les, le, la, el, der, die, das, ... "
    I received an interesting mail of Ego Gramme, explaining this problem..

    Quote:
    I would like to draw your attention on the fact that Amants du Pont-Neuf, Les
    is a little odd... like Herbstzeitlosen, Die or Maquinista, El
    Nobody will think to write the title like that: it is just a way to sort out the title without taking in account the empty words like "Le", "The", "Die", "El".
    Myself I tried "Les Amants du Pont-Neuf" (which is the correct title visible in the poster or on the DVD) and "Amants du Pont-neuf" and other English translations mentioned by IMBD.com without success. I am pretty sure that others registered users of your website have recognised the film but not thought to put Amants du Pont-Neuf, Les as a title.
    Is it possible to ask bap2008 to add "Les Amants du Pont-Neuf" as a good answer ?

    Thanks for that!
    • CommentAuthorEgogramme
    • CommentTimeOct 1st 2008
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    "Amants du Pont-Neuf, Les" is the title on IMDB.com
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      CommentAuthorStarvey
    • CommentTimeOct 1st 2008
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    Can't you routine check those ones ? Like if there's no le, la, die, etc, that's okay tambien ?
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      CommentAuthorStarvey
    • CommentTimeOct 1st 2008
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    Sorry that was spanish...
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      CommentAuthorZanapher
    • CommentTimeOct 7th 2008
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    A solution to the "amant du pont neuf" problem would be to accept both forms.
    Whenever a movie title contains a coma, it is also accepted when what follows the coma is put before. Conversely if you enter in the solve box a title with a coma, the checker also tries it by reversing the coma part.

    Example :
    - When someone uploads a movie and gives the title "Maquinista, El", a script adds the alternate title "El Maquinista"
    - If a screenshot has the title "El Maquinista" but someone types "Maquinista, El", the script tries both "Maquinista, El" (which fails) and "El Maquinista" (which works).

    This is about 3 lines in any reasonable scripting language...
    Also, if this is no more an issue, it would be good to ask people to give the imdb link of their movie as a required field. Then the script can parse the page and get the real imdb title so that we are sure that this one will work (I'm thinking about French titles that some people enter without the accents, so it doesn't work if I input the title with the accents). If the "official" imdb title is always accepted, then we can also add alternate titles (without accents if you want, with simplified names like "Star Wars 2", etc.)
    Btw, "the godfather: part II" didn't work because someone posted it as "the godfather: part 2" (which is kind of annoying...).

    Again, getting the imdb page from the link, parsing it and extracting the "official" title (at least the title with typable characters on european keyboards...) can be done with a very simple script, which I'm willing to write for you in perl if you want (with such a script you can also automatically add all the "also known as" titles from the imdb, which cover a large number of foreign languages too).
    • CommentAuthorbap2008
    • CommentTimeOct 7th 2008
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    "Amants du Pont-Neuf, Les" seemed a little odd to me, too. But since the instructions for uploading referred to IMDB I thought this would be o.k.
    @naut: please tell me how i can add additional answers to this title. i will gladly do so
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      CommentAuthorZanapher
    • CommentTimeOct 8th 2008
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    I agree with the imdb instruction. That way at least everyone can be sure that he's entering the right thing whenever you really want to (and do a seach on imdb). But obviously that's not the natural way of inputting the title, hence why I suggested accepting automatically both forms whenever the title contains a coma.
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      CommentAuthorSara
    • CommentTimeOct 9th 2008
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    Sometimes strange things happen:
    When I enter a movie name in English because the flag below indicates one should only try the English title the solution bar says "You solved it" – however it shows the German/French/Danish etc. title!
    • CommentAuthorkerrang
    • CommentTimeOct 9th 2008
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    That's because it always shows the english flag when there's only one international title, regardless of nationality. There needs to be an option to choose a different flag already in the first "name of the movie" line during the upload.
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      CommentAuthorStarvey
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2008
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    Yeah, well, at least with the IMDb instruction, everybody has the same and easy references. You know it's "Les amants du pont neuf", doesn't match, check IMDb, find ou that it's "Amants du pont neuf, les", cut & paste, tag, you're it, and for myself I need to stop begining all my sentences with "Yeah, well".

    Oh my god. Too much coffee a 1.40am... the humanity...
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      CommentAuthorZanapher
    • CommentTimeOct 11th 2008
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    Dammit. I tried many times movie http://whatthemovie.com/beta/movies/view/4142 but never got it because I always used "2" instead of "II" ("2" is the way it appears on the imdb).
    Really, this title thing must be done automatically from the imdb title (and then people can add the many variations they want, but the imdb title MUST work).
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      CommentAuthorZanapher
    • CommentTimeOct 12th 2008
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    http://whatthemovie.com/beta/movies/view/2929
    The original title doesn't work at all... how are we supposed to find it ?
    • CommentAuthoragonistes
    • CommentTimeOct 12th 2008
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    For 2929, just type in the english/international title, which is also the most common one, that'll work.

    And I don't know why there should be a '2' in this title http://whatthemovie.com/beta/movies/view/4142 ?
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      CommentAuthorZanapher
    • CommentTimeOct 13th 2008
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    My mistake, I meant 2852 (probably had two tabs open when I copied the number...)

    As for the english/international title it makes no sense. The orgininal title (with common western symbols that is, I agree...) is the one that should be always accepted (imdb is the best way to set a standard in this case).
    Then of course, adding the international english one is a good practice (but as a secondary version).
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      CommentAuthorStarvey
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2008
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    Depends on. Not every movie has its translation in the IMDb. Check out the Magnificent Seven ; in France it's called "Les Sept Mercenaires" (the seven mercenaries, for those who flunked school :D ). If you don't know the original title, but know the movie, kinda gets crappy and frustrating. Having as many translations as possible can be useful.
    Who knows Naked Gun 33 1/3: The Final Insult is translated in Y a-t-il un flic pour sauver Hollywood (Is there a cop to save Hollywood ?) ? Call that reverse engineering :D
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      CommentAuthornaut
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2008
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    Zanapher: I fixed 2852.
    The problem with looking the name up on IMDB is, that it's illegal.
    You can't build a script which ripps content off another page.
    The titles of movies always have to be entered by the useres of whatthemovie.

    However:
    1. We will make the IMDB link mandatory and thus try to get the title from correct uploaded movies with the same link.
    2. The soon implemented new queuing system allows multiple moderators to look over new shots => more eyes see more faults.
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      CommentAuthorZanapher
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2008
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    Starvey, you'd probably be amazed to see how many alternate titles akas.imdb.com knows... For instance

    The Magnificent Seven
    Also Known As (AKA)
    Sept mercenaires, Les Belgium (French title) / Canada (French title) / France
    Glorreichen Sieben, Die Austria / West Germany
    Siete hombres y un destino Chile / Mexico
    Siete magníficos, Los Argentina / Spain
    7 rohkeata miestä Finland
    7 vågade livet Sweden
    Koya no shichinin Japan
    Magnifici sette, I Italy
    Sedam velicanstvenih Serbia
    Sedm statecnych Czechoslovakia
    Seitsemän rohkeata miestä Finland
    Sete Homens E um Destino Brazil
    Sete Magníficos, Os Portugal
    Siedmiu wspanialych Poland
    Syv mænd sejrer Denmark
    Yedi silahsörler Turkey (Turkish title)

    and about as many for Naked Gun 33 1/3.

    I see the legal problem and why you don't want to make it automatically retrieved from the imdb. But then make sure the administrators check that the imdb title really does appear in the list of valid ones.

    By the way, I keep complaining all the time but overall you have a great site and I'm enjoying it a lot, I thought you should know that :)
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      CommentAuthornaut
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2008 edited
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    zanapher: constructive criticism is *always* appreciated! :)
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      CommentAuthorStarvey
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2008
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    @ Zanapher

    Okay, it wasn't a good exemple. I get it ;D
    Anyway, you see what I meant :P
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      CommentAuthorMuten
    • CommentTimeOct 15th 2008
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    http://whatthemovie.com/beta/movies/view/4400
    the original name won't work. dunno why.
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      CommentAuthorSara
    • CommentTimeOct 15th 2008
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    Just a guess: Maybe you can't solve it as you're the one who posted the snapshot?
    Would at least make sense.
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      CommentAuthorMuten
    • CommentTimeOct 15th 2008
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    my girlfriend tried it 5 or more times. different account, different computer.
    I was that clever not to try it myself logged in. ;)
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      CommentAuthorStarvey
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2008
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    @ Mutten
    Usually, that's the sign it's time to go to bed :D
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      CommentAuthorZanapher
    • CommentTimeOct 24th 2008
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    4010 : the original title doesn't work. I really don't see why we should try the american title all the time...
    • CommentAuthorpoly
    • CommentTimeOct 25th 2008
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    There is a typo in the original title of http://whatthemovie.com/beta/movies/view/4366
    A c got lost.
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      CommentAuthorMuten
    • CommentTimeOct 25th 2008
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    whoops.my fault.
    but it shouldn't affect the possibility of solving it.
    • CommentAuthorpoly
    • CommentTimeOct 25th 2008
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    That's right, there are enough alternative titles which work :-)
    • CommentAuthorchecknorisk
    • CommentTimeOct 26th 2008 edited
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    Hi,

    the picture 2950 doesn't work with the original title, I had to look on imdb to find that only the US title works. despite the mention "answer in french possible"

    same problem with 3380, only working with the international english title but not with the original title.

    last but not least, at that time I can't register to save my solved movies or upload snapshots. if someone could help me please...
    it's strange but my login for the forum doesn't work with the game.
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      CommentAuthorZanapher
    • CommentTimeOct 26th 2008
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    The imdb title for 4109 doesn't work (a problem with roman numerals...)
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      CommentAuthorZanapher
    • CommentTimeOct 26th 2008
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    Again, for 4143, because of an accentuated letter the original title doesn't work...
    I understand how these symbols are hard to type on some keyboards (including mine btw) but a copy paste isn't that hard when submitting the screenshot. So it's not a bad thing to have the title without accents, but the original one *should* be recognized...
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      CommentAuthornaut
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008 edited
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    - all fixed

    thanks for your inputs folks!

    tliff: by the way, could you please check the special characters problem in our DB :)
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    5447 doesn't work. I'm 100% sure what movie it is. So there must be a typo in the title.

    Suggestion: Why don't you allow to enter the IMDb ID (e.g. "tt0830515") as an additional variant? Then there wouldn't be any doubts.
    • CommentAuthoragonistes
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2008
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    5371 doesn't work with the original imdb title, again because of roman numerals
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      CommentAuthorSara
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2008
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    5654 doesn't work with the imdb title, either – I second biglebowski's proposal of adding the movie ID.
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      CommentAuthorfungus
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2008
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    @ biglebowski
    You're right I mistyped the name in 5447. I am very sorry, usually I copy paste, but obviously I did not here. To solve it you just have to change the positions of the letters h and r in the second word of the title.
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      CommentAuthorZanapher
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2008
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    Entering the IMDb ID doesn't really make any sense.
    Of course, since the imdb link should be mandatory, the ID could be automatically accepted (no need to enter manually the ID when registering a new screenshot), but it still doesn't really make any sense to enter it as a solution.

    However, the imdb title should always be accepted as is (even with ", les" at the end, and register the usual title (with the article at the beginning) as an alternate, which could be made automatically whenever there's a comma btw).

    I know that naut said that he didn't want the title to be automatically retrieved from imdb for legal reasons, but a script could go and check that the imdb title is one of the registered titles (either the main one or an alternate). If this is not the case, the screenshot is automatically rejected. That way, if people correctly enter the title it's fine (and technically the title was not taken from the imdb by a script), if not, the screenshot doesn't appear.
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      CommentAuthorbiglebowski
    • CommentTimeNov 10th 2008 edited
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    @fungus

    Thanks for the hint. :-)

    @naut/tliff

    It would still be nice if you fixed the title of 5447 so that people not reading this forum have a chance of solving it.

    @Zanapher

    I don't follow your argumentation why entering the IMDb ID wouldn't make sense. It's a unique identifier for the movie. It will always be valid. It cannot be changed. Titles may change, and they do, even in the IMDb. I really don't see any problem with this idea.
    • CommentAuthorpoly
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2008
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    There seems to be something wrong with the name of 7811. The original title does not work and I am quite sure about the movie since the (nearly) same still was already posted some time ago.
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    @poly: nope. It's perfectly ok. Check out the aspect ratio! ;)
    • CommentAuthoragonistes
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2008
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    I too was confused at first about 7811, but then simply tried some different titles and found it. IMDB movie connections cleared it up as to why it was the right one. ^^
    • CommentAuthorpoly
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2008
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    You're right, I did not notice the different aspect ratio. I got it now, thank's for the tip.
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    I am pretty sure thers something wrong with number7819. Or do I think of the wrong movie?
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    http://whatthemovie.com/beta/movies/view/7626
    is missing an "n" in its original title.
    the french title is ok.
    :(
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      CommentAuthorZanapher
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2008
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    fixed
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    The title of movie 8174 is not correct.

    (but entering the correct title still works, due to the way comparison is implemented - I don't want to give too much detail away here ;)
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      CommentAuthornaut
    • CommentTimeDec 8th 2008 edited
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    thanks for the hint mr. top uploader :) congrats btw.
    fixed.
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    Thanx for the kudos. :)