In the ideal case the start title contains the name and is in the first scene, and the end title has "The End" or smth scandinavian. However, this isn't always the case, so the guidelines I use are:

Start title shot: The shot with the name of the film, wherever in the film this is (after the first scene, at the start of the end credits, or just at the beginning where it belongs).
End title shot: The last shot of the film before the end-credits role, preferably with the end on it, but sometimes that's not possible so then I use the last regular shot.

So in the case of Public Enemies, I'd use your end title shot as start title, and take a new end title shot. But that's just me ;)

Ok, it's the guidelines then?

If they should be changed then I have problems with those two:
Touch of Evil: http://whatthemovie.com/movie/touch_of_evil/snapshots
Pans Labyrinth: http://whatthemovie.com/movie/el_laberinto_del_fauno/snapshots

Anyway I do think a shot without any words in is a bit wrong. Those shots could maybe have been in FF instead.

I did that with Ponyo: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/83708
The movie goes to a little circle and doesn't have a 'the end' text, so I thought that would be better than nothing.

But I think 'Start Title' confuses people. I think it should just be changed to Title Shot and End Shot. Then you can explain that Title Shot has to contain the Title (of some sort) and the End Shot, well the last shot of the movie.

If there's no start shot or end shot but a screen with an oneliner or some other text, I think you should upload that shot. For example: I did this for Apocalypto ( http://whatthemovie.com/movie/apocalypto/snapshots ). At the beginning of the movie there's a quote and at the end there's a title shot. If you would upload the title shot as 'start shot', the quote would be deleted and there wouldn't be any end shot. I think that's a pity, because I think those 'quote' shots are a kind of start and end shots of a movie.

@Micron
That's why I asked 'Tliff', the founder of this site. He said the first should always contain the title shot, and that's why I suggested to change 'Start Title' to 'Title Shot'. With Apocalypto you should have done the Title as the first where you now have the quote.

Please, LM, read everything we talked about. Yes, the Apocalypto title appears during the closing credits. Thus it's possible to make a shot of the title for this movie, a Title Shot. We're just saying this Title Shot should be uploaded as a Start Title shot, even if it's actually from the end credits. tliff seems to be thinking the same way.

a perfect getaway DONE

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THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO WORK, and I deleted my text.


What about these shots. This movie is not allowed I believe as on IMDB there is a (V) behind its title.
http://whatthemovie.com/movie/smokin_aces_2_assassins_ball/snapshots
However, there is a start and end shot, but I don't see the purpose in uploading that.

I see, there is not really a purpose in deleting it. However, it would be better if it got deleted.

I also changed my last post, maybe someone can fix that if they know what I mean.

Weird, that it doesn't work. It also won't work with me. I will ask LordMyst to re-up again.

That's why I edited my post, and I already sended a message to LordMyst. WTM said he was currently online when I sended the shout, but I hope he uploads it fast. So that shot stays with Wouter.

This one, I believe, is wrong as there is no text at all in the title: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/62615

I think you will find a lot of title shots without text, especially end titles because the rule has never been made clear ;)

Yeah, this shot should be replaced. It's not a title shot!

Mm, maybe it is then a good idea to post that underneath the shot in a shout.
Then we can put the movies here that just have a movie still without a title and someone with a DVD can check if there is a title shot.

So, can someone check if Shrek has a title shot? It probably has, but can someone check and then make a snapshot? I don't have this movie.

Indeed, I checked and the WATCHMEN title is there in a great shot. So this should be deleted or replaced. But why did FUCKADUCK upload it, I would think he knew what a title shot is.
And what about this, it has fuzzy subtitles undernearth: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/59604 ??

I uploaded As good as it gets and Closer. Wel just "Clo" actually, it moves along the screen..

Danny the Dog done: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85126
Three Kings done: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85128

Also, not from list:
The Count of Monte-Cristo (Yes, I know it's TV, but the movie was already in the db, so might as well give it a title shot till it gets deleted or smth): http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85131
First Knight: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85132
Glas (Short, but also already in DB): http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85133

That's it for tonight, H and further tomorrow! :P

I'm catching up on you Asmodai in title uploads, muhaha:D! I have updated a lot of b/w movies with both start and end title :D!
Updated:
Mash: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85367
Rocky (they never show the whole title at once): http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85376
Sleuth: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85378
Glory: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85383 http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85379
Fail-Safe: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85380
Ace In the hole: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85382 http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85381
His Girl Friday: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85385 http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85384
Anatomy of a murder: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85387 http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85388
Sweet Smell of Success: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85389 http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85390
The Conversation: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85392 http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85391
The Philadelphia Story: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85393 http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85394
Rififi: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85396 http://whatthemovie.com/shot/85395
:D! End of today lol :P

Oh, you want me to start uploading end titles as well then? ;)
Challenge accepted :P

EDIT: When movies have no real "The End" shots, what also works for me is to do the first end-credits shot (if it's a proper shot, not just a scrolling list of names). Usually this is something as: Directed by: X

Until now, all title snapshots I've uploaded either had the original title or an english/american title. While I think its better to upload the title shots with the original title, it's not always easy to get a DVD edition with the good title on it...
My question is, since I have the french edition for this movie ( http://whatthemovie.com/movie/starcrash ) and the title neither is the original one nor the english one, is it OK to upload the title shot with a french "subtitle" ?

@MisterZob: I'm not really surprised about this one, since my shots of this movie looked absolutely crappy compared to yours, I was sure you somehow didn't own the french edition of this film :-D
Anyway, what's the "rule" for uploading title shots:
- original title only ?
- english (international) title accepted ?

I thought I'd give this topic a small bump. A list with the top 100 movies without title shots can be found on http://whatthemovie.com/page/titles