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      CommentAuthorforerunner
    • CommentTimeAug 30th 2009
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    isn't this a dupe? Really rings a bell, and i haven't seen the movie, i know that for sure
    http://whatthemovie.com/shot/31019#
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      CommentAuthorZythux
    • CommentTimeAug 30th 2009 edited
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    It's not in the archive, so I don't think so. Also I Don't think I've seen this shot, but maybe it's a repost? (I don't see all new submissions)
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      CommentAuthorefji
    • CommentTimeOct 2nd 2009 edited
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    How is it possible that a shot that is less than 30 days old appears in the "recent uploads" of a movie page ???

    (edited) sorry I miscalculated the age of the shot. It's late :)

    (BTW: it is possible to edit a forum message but not to cancel it)
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      CommentAuthortliff
    • CommentTimeOct 2nd 2009
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    what do you mean with not cancel it?
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      CommentAuthorefji
    • CommentTimeOct 2nd 2009
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    Once I realized that my message was not relevant, I wanted to suppress it. But I was only able to edit it, not to erase it completely.
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    my issue mentioned above still stands.
    • CommentAuthorcastaka
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2009
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    the movie title http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3663825/ is a dead link i guess they changed it so the movie linked in imdb exists twice indeed :x
    • CommentAuthorMisterZob
    • CommentTimeDec 12th 2009
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    @guustflaterke
    I left a shot about this on tliff's profile. Hopefully he will be able to fix it.
    The DB entry with the "3" in it should be deleted.

    @castaka
    The IMDb link never existed, their DB hasn't reach those numbers yet. I guess it's a random number typed in by the guy who created the duplicate movie entry in WTM DB.
    • CommentAuthortoffetomas
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2010
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    i think http://whatthemovie.com/shot/69197 is a dupe of http://whatthemovie.com/shot/64553 i didn't solve both shots before and just saw them at the movie page. I'm sorry for the uploader, cause it's a bit late, but really think it a dupe. Dont understand why nobody saw this before...
    • CommentAuthorLordMyst
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2010
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      CommentAuthorRazzomega
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2010
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    Lame title shot anyway xD
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      CommentAuthorforerunner
    • CommentTimeApr 29th 2010
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    http://whatthemovie.com/shot/77803 and http://whatthemovie.com/shot/72489 are dupes in my opinion, it says in the rules no uploading of same or similair shots, these two shots are similair, and i consider them dupes. I tried vote deleting, but someone removed my vote deletion. hence the bump on the topic.
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      CommentAuthorZythux
    • CommentTimeApr 29th 2010
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    I agree it's a dupe, I think there are many arguable dupes getting through these days.

    Even SotD's like http://whatthemovie.com/shot/76581 and http://whatthemovie.com/shot/76674 are dupes imho.
    But it looks like most of the time the majority has a different opinion, so I stopped voting for deletion on shots that were not exactly the same.
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      CommentAuthorpspan
    • CommentTimeApr 29th 2010
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    @Zythux: surely those SotD's aren't dupes??
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      CommentAuthorZythux
    • CommentTimeApr 29th 2010
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    Most people don't think it are dupes, so I guess not. The similar shots I mean are in the archive already, so if you solved the shots you can see what I mean. Just wanted to say it's always hard to decide if a shot is a dupe or not. Everyone has his own opinion if it's too similar to another shot or not.
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      CommentAuthorpspan
    • CommentTimeApr 29th 2010
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    oh, I thought you meant these 2 looked like each other. If you think there's a dupe, you can report them....
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      CommentAuthorforerunner
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2010
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    @ pspan, thats what i tried to do on the first go, but as i said, my deletion vote got deleted. I've seen this happen a few times before with shots i put a deletion vote on.
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    me and others thought http://whatthemovie.com/shot/78813 is a dupe of http://whatthemovie.com/shot/23892 but the deletion votes were removed by someone...
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      CommentAuthorthem00ch
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2010
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    Tomas, yeah its definitely a dupe. And now it's gone.
    • CommentAuthorLordMyst
    • CommentTimeMay 18th 2010
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    • CommentAuthordekolta
    • CommentTimeMay 23rd 2010
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    http://whatthemovie.com/shot/83626
    http://whatthemovie.com/shot/78264
    The shots are not really the same, but at uploading it says: 'Don't upload a Snapshot from the same scene or with similar content (e.g. the same character).' So it this allowed or not? I also shouted at the newest one, but probably no one looks at that.
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      CommentAuthorRazzomega
    • CommentTimeMay 23rd 2010
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    I don't think that they're dupes...
    • CommentAuthorLordMyst
    • CommentTimeMay 23rd 2010
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    indeed its not a dupe
    • CommentAuthorChrisy
    • CommentTimeMay 23rd 2010
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    agree, no dupes at all
    • CommentAuthorMaxi
    • CommentTimeMay 23rd 2010
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    Interesting aspect....
    Why not? For me it's the same content - I see the same.. a green curse. ;-)
    • CommentAuthorJojo1337
    • CommentTimeMay 23rd 2010
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    @Maxi characters/scene/background are different.
    what i've learned recently: it only counts as a dupe if everything is similar: scene, characters, point of view, etc.
    • CommentAuthorMaxi
    • CommentTimeMay 23rd 2010
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    that's a strange definition..
    why dupes are forbidden? I think to avoid solving a shot without making thoughts about it and that's a little bit too easy (if I do not know the movie). Not only because the shot already exists in the archive.. then it really has to be the identical shot.
    In that case it's clear! My opinion! :D Wahh.. that's weird.
    • CommentAuthordekolta
    • CommentTimeMay 23rd 2010 edited
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    You can solve lots of shots by archive. Like a yellow minivan has like 5 shots here over at WTM. Also I says don't upload the same character twice. Well this one is fairly the same. Green dress and doing some magic. If you would upload twice an invisible man I wouldn't care, but here you can easily see both shots are the same character. Maybe not the same scene but OK.
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      CommentAuthorfnick
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    I'm sorry for having caused a discussion about my shot. As I mentioned on the shot's page the other shot was not in the overview when I uploaded mine, I checked them carefully. Maybe because it was still in feature films? So I am lucky not to have uploaded the exact same shot again ..

    Besides this problem I always thought dupes were shots of the same scene (or scenes that look exactly like another one). But maybe I'm wrong in that.

    To take an example of krukevs own shots: #82386 is the same character as #8139 - same glasses, same haircut and similar clothes. In both occasions he is shown centered in the shot in a prison cell with pictures on the wall behind him while he is facing the camera. But in my eyes it is clearly another shot cause of the camera angle and the hole in the older shot. One may ask the necessity of this second shot, but this decision is up to the people who vote it high or the mods who like it enough to push it through.

    So what? If my shot doesn't get deleted there will be two shots on the movie page of the same witch doing her green witchstuff to different people. So visitors will know there is a hell of a lot green witching in this movie. Not nice, but we will survive ;)

    PS: I have to admit the character in the background of #83880 is also featured in several previously uploaded shots.
    • CommentAuthordekolta
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    OK, then your right. But if you know to solve the witch, you also can solve the other. They are really alike. Only you see her, well, her mirror image. I just wanted to know if this is seen as dupes, as the explanation says you can't have the same character, but I think the exact same shot or set-up shouldn't be allowed. However, it's better to have the moderators or boss much more clear on this: I still don't get it 100% what is allowed and what not.

    http://whatthemovie.com/shot/48594
    http://whatthemovie.com/shot/13529
    Just like these. They are not the same, but only the girl and the woman transpose so? Maybe a moderator can let us know where the line is drawn?
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      CommentAuthorforerunner
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    i have to say i'd consider the shots in kurkev's last post dupes. No moderator though.
    • CommentAuthorMaxi
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    Well.. where exactly is the problem with dupes? Can somebody specify it?
    Maybe as a new rule... If we delete _identical_ shots and sustain all other remaining shots (even if they have some similarities) I would resign to this fact.
    And just to be honest.. I don't think that there are any issues with solving similar looking shots for a 2nd time. No wave making dupe discussions anymore, haha. ;-))
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      CommentAuthorZythux
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    I don't agree with that. I don't like to solve 10 shots of the same scene, because they're all slightly different. The great variety in shots and movies is the main reason I like WTM so much.
    • CommentAuthorLordMyst
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    the little miss sunshine links from krukev are definetly dupes in my eyes
    the same scene
    • CommentAuthorMisterZob
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    I think it works just fine the way it is now.
    There should not be similar shots. What's the point ? What's the fun in solving the same shots over and over ?

    If a similar shot is already there, just move on, try to upload another shot, from a different scene or a different movie.
    If you think your shot is different enough, upload it and explain why. Users and mods will decide. That's what NS is for.
    • CommentAuthorMaxi
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    What's the fun in discussing that over and over? :-)
    And it's a neverending discussion.
    • CommentAuthordekolta
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    It just should be clear, which it isn't now. There are so many great shots but nonetheless people are still uploading dupes in my opinion but OK.
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      CommentAuthorZythux
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    I agree with Krukev.

    And it will probably be a neverending discussion, but that's no reason to allow dupes.
    • CommentAuthorAsmodai
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    The reason it will and should be a neverending discussion, is that each case is different. 90% of the shots deleted for dupes are judgement calls, because you can't phrase a rule that would work for all possibilities.
    • CommentAuthordekolta
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010 edited
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    But what about the Little Miss Sunshine shots I gave above? The shot is almost the same. I do agree it is not the same, but only the girl and woman are changed. The rest of the shot is exactly the same. People that know this then have two solves, whereas others missed two. There are already 7 shots with the bus, most are really different, but I believe those are too much same. Open it in two tabs and change between them. You see it changes only the woman and girl. What is the point in uploading shots that are so alike. The shot probably contains much more nice shots.
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      CommentAuthorZythux
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    I agree, I used to vote for deletion on shots like that, but the deletion votes get deleted most of the time.
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      CommentAuthorthem00ch
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    http://whatthemovie.com/shot/13529
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    http://whatthemovie.com/shot/48594

    Are blatant dupes imo. The 2nd shot is vastly better quality though, and I would ask that someone with the movie replaces http://whatthemovie.com/shot/13529 :)
    • CommentAuthordekolta
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010 edited
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    Yeah, that one should be replaced, and there is no point in deleting one now as they are both in archive. But it is good to know what is (IN ABOUT) a dupe and to have the opinion of a mod.
    • CommentAuthorMisterZob
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    Here's a nice example of Archive dupes. It's a link to October 12th, 2008: http://whatthemovie.com/overview/2008/10/12
    I'm sure you'll recognize the dupes... ^^

    I really think it's silly to keep both these shots. And IMHO, the 2nd one is better because this scene is all about this character smoking.
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      CommentAuthorZythux
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    I don't think that's a reason to delete the first one...
    • CommentAuthorMisterZob
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    That's just my opinion. ;)
    I don't know how it happened actually. Back in 2008, shots were approved by admins. One of them must have approved the 1st one and another the 2nd.
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      CommentAuthorenerg
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010 edited
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    How about #84588? Since it's a NS i'll not post the other one, you can just find the other one on the movie page. But it's a shot with the same green things. IMO #84588 is waaaay better, but I think it's a dupe. Or what is the regulation here?

    EDIT: I did not notice that pspan and lordmyst had the same discussion on the shotpage.
    • CommentAuthordekolta
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    It contains the same green things, but the other also has a character. So this one is 'more quiz material' as MisterZob put it. It wouldn't treat this as a dupe, but it is definitely hard to draw a line.
    • CommentAuthorAsmodai
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    Hmm, let's make something clear. If there is a case of dupe shots, this always means that the later shot gets removed (unless there are extra circumstances). I sometimes see people saying "but the later one is better!" or "the first one isn't that good quality!". This is no reason to delete a perfectly fine shot that just was first.

    Not pointing any fingers here, just something I noticed a few times on dupe shot-discussions ;)