Wow, I totally agree with Asmodai, we sure don't need to point out "bad raters", if ever it should happen on WTM, I'll quit the site in less than 3 seconds! I'm here to have fu and not to take part to any kind of vendetta! Also, I don't think anyone can decide who is a good or bad rater, it's all about personal taste as someone said before. Mods are doing a great job about it and I think we should go on like this and let them identify the obvious unfair behaviours.
And last, I think it could be a good idea to hide the current rating until it goes through to the FF (or not) not to be influenced.

Yeah, I reckon it sounds a bit too much vendetta and it's not a good idea. I still think having an average rate on profile would help the admins.

Hiding the ratings while in the new submissions might avoid the problem of people just rating where the last star is

Are you saying you are not rating all your shots 10 ? :)

not all people vote where the last star is. but many do, especially if the snapshot has many votes.

i think we should hide hours remaining, how many votes a snapshot has, and the average. all this with a simple code can be visible to the voter after they have voted.

I'm not saying this is gonna solve the problem 100%, but i think the mods could give it a try and check it out. it might make things more honest at least

I don't think there is really a problem with unfair voting behavior. There was one in the beginning of WTM 2. But with the start of this thread in October 2009 things changed to the better. My ratings went up for almost 1 point on average. And since then I didn't notice any substantial deteriorations. Sure there are up and downs but that's part of the game. And since October even my rejected snapshots almost never were rated below six and most of the times they got a 6.5+. So even if there are some unfair votings they will even out, otherwise you should observe more average ratings below 5. Even when looking at the snapshots of the day you'll find high ratings of unknown movies with only a few solves:

http://whatthemovie.com/shot/55778 --> 53 solves, 8.79 rating, 18 favs
http://whatthemovie.com/shot/57525 --> 41 solves, 8.57 rating, 17 favs
http://whatthemovie.com/shot/54403 --> 27 solves, 8.71 rating, 13 favs
http://whatthemovie.com/shot/58358 --> 9 solves, 8.78 rating, 4 favs
http://whatthemovie.com/shot/59728 --> 8 solves, 8.43 rating, 14 favs

I think the problem is that it is very frustrating to see one's own taste isn't appreciated by the majority. I had shots rejected of well-known movies with a low rating of which I was sure they would receive at least an 8 rating. On the other hand I had shots of unknown movies getting insanely high ratings of which I was convinced they would need the benevolent hand of a moderator to get through.

So give the majority what the majority wants. And to keep it interesting for all the others we have thank god the moderators who do a tremendous job. I mean I'm sticking around here for almost one and half year and still am not bored :)

Well, I think it actually IS unfair - the way some people want to throw someone's else snapshot down - but that's kinda hard to control. In one way or another we gotta trust on some community sense of "justice", I mean, trust that people do believe they're raing things right. But I have to confess it kinda gets me sick sometimes, when I see some really beautiful shots (and many times I just wanna say "wow!" though I have no idea where they come from) get mediocre ratings and any blockbuster movie shot gets a higher rating just because it's easy to figure out or dunno why. Sometimes we spend quite some time trying to get the perfect angle of that one frame that is not blurry in an action scene, and then it's like fungus said, it's frustrating when it's pushed down.

Editted: I always thought it was somewhat unfair and maybe even against some rule to vote your own snapshot o.o I'm a bit confused about that...

Oh, it's not that I think it makes much difference..I just always thought it wasn't ok for people to rate their own stuff...after all, if one posts a shot, he/she obviously thinks it's worth a 10 =P

I think it's not so easy for the creators to add a filter on your own shots to prevent you to vote.
It's up to you, but if you want to see the overal rating, without vote for your own shots, you can still check your home page.

Thing is, there's no way to control people motives to vote in a certain way =o I too think that it sucks to see many beautiful shots get lower rates cause people seem not to know what it is, but is there a way to change that? Dun think so. I've been noticing that ratings got lower overall since the new system launched, I wonder if people now feel just free to give lower notes than before or something.

I think fungus has made a good point. I was quite frustrated for a while when 7 of my uploads were rejected in a row, but then a few weeks later 12 or so were ACCEPTED in a row, of which half I didn't expect to go through. So on the whole I think the mods are reasonably fair. You just can't make it perfect for everyone.

One thing I'd like to draw attention to is shots, that contain gore/splatter. I and, as I'm sure, many others are fans of this genre. I can fully understand that the majority of users here find such shots disgusting and deserving of a low rating. However, I give many shots with eg romantic context an imho fair rating, although I cant stand them. I just try to look at it through the uploader's eyes and try to understand the appeal of it which made them upload it in the first place. However, it's quite disheartening when the majority of people vote below 6 just because they can't stand the sight of a severed head or hand. I'm not a weirdo or homicidal maniac, I just like the genre and implore people to view its shots a bit more open-minded and appreciate the fact that there is a small but significant minority who does enjoy that sort of stuff!

to each his/her taste, so for me: rate whatever you want. Thats how the game goes. I dont like face shots, double no on Silent Jay/Bob whatever. Dont like chick flicks, way too easy shots (although I've been known to post them to consolidate my upload position), most tittie shots, and -sorry Oberst- hardcore splatter stuff. As we are to rate the shot, these usually dont get a high rating from me. Oh, and Sandra Bullock.

Your initial shot was deleted because it was low quality :


It should have looked like this (from "old" DVD release) :


Since this movie was released on DVD with two different ratios, it might also have looked like this (from recent DVD release or from Blu-ray) :


But instead, you used your low quality shot again, altered its proportions and tried to repost it twice... Of course both those shots were deleted too.

Here we go again... Same old discussion...
It *is* presented how it should be on Blu-ray. This director only shot his last movies full frame in order to "protect" their look ON VIDEO (4:3 "old" video, that is). But these movies were always framed for widescreen presentation in theaters.

Personally, I don't think a shot is ever worth a 1. I usually rank between 7 and 10, maybe a 5 or 6 when it's poor quality or just generally a bad shot, i.e.: you can't see what's going on, something like that. It's incredibly frustrating, as I have noticed, to see that the first or second vote on one of your newest uploads was a 1. Of course, I myself am guilty of giving my own shots higher votes, but I never rate other shots lower than a 5, just to keep the average up to par.
I have noticed that the average rating dropped about a point since the new system, which is probably because people aren't voting along with the average anymore, but instead are giving the shot a rating it deserves in their eyes. Still, there's a couple of low votes that (at first, admittedly, since eventually it does kind of balance out) do pull down the average rating.
I don't think it's actually possible to stop this kind of behaviour, because it would end, as it was said, in a vendetta against the low voters, which would in turn make the site as a whole a lot less fun. The best thing there is to do, is basically to rely on the voters to give the shots a decent rating, instead of the childish behaviour that brought forth this discussion.

...Christ, that sounded like some official political statement. Quick, say something to balance the big words!

Butts!

Phew.

It seems as though some people take this way to seriously. Granted, I'm a newbie and still trying to figure out the rules and seem to have been deleted or dinged for trying to crop out the black bars my computer puts in (and one I cropped WAY to much), but two other sites we post pics we don't even vote on it, just try to guess the name. But maybe I'll get the hang of it.

By the way, does it matter if it's a jpg or bmp? I've been getting 404'd on some bmps I've tried to load.

@luluthebeast
I think the upload system only accepts JPGs and PNGs.

I had been using Fraps on my PC, but I picked up something nasty and now my Dell Media player won't work, but I loaded it onto my laptop and it seems to be getting nice grabs from the Windows Media Player. The Fujitsu also came with Power DVD Player, which works great, but only seems to grab in BMP's.

@MISTERZOB,Now I get it ,thnks for explaining ,all this time I thought it was because of the black bars ,some made a comment about that. That's why I kept resizing it lol.

Yes, you can add tags, but they are NOT for hints, only for things that will make it easier to find the shot back.

I can see why people complain here, when my pic gets deleted for "bad quality" when it looks exactly like the factory dvd it came from. And since the movie hasn't been guessed, it's obvious these people don't even know where it came from or that there was about five minutes of footage shot in that dusk light. A real "crap shout" from people who have never even seen the movie!

I have more a question than a comment ;)
I've never voted for my own shots, 'cause I don't think it's fair (like others said, of course you give yourself a 10) ;)
But now I only can see the rating of my shots whenn I vote for them... is it maybe possible to see the ratings for your own stills without voting for them?

aaaah... thanks a lot Zythux :)
sry, it's been a while since I 've been here the last time, I still have to get used to the new site ;)

I know you're right them00ch, but I still don't feel right about it... but well... I will think about what you've just said ;)

Normally I rate my own shots 1 point higher than I would rate it when it was posted by another. So I feel less guilty about it. (Still a little though) But with all the 10 ratings for the own uploads AND the low ratings I usually get :-) from others I just gonna give meself a big fat 10 the next time around. That will show you! (Oops, sorry. My mean part got out)

It is possible to vote on your own pictures. ???

never tried