that's why your vote counts more if you solved the shot (1:3)

I think the problem still is that a lot of users only vote high for movies they like a lot... like popular movies... I'm pretty sure, almost every PotC or Dark Knight shot gets through... if they don't like a movie (or don't know it) they vote it down... BUT I also recognized something else in the last couple of days... sometimes a really good shot gets voted down... I think they are now trying to vote tactically like in the Vault. When they see a good shot, some try to vote it down... just my opinion, but it really seemed to me like that.

if i click a profile i can read sooo many details and stats. Why don´t add a stat which shows the average voting which this person give to shots? So all people can see himself if someone vote most time with 1,2,3. I think the community gives the right answer, if they know it.

I think an another problem is more important as some people downrate all shots... best chance to get an average vote higher then 7,50 is posting shots from well known Animations or Block Busters, all people know it and vote almost high. But shots of unknown movies got nearly 0 chance to reach the FF.

And in the end i am outing me as "an arrogant person" in the eyes of them00ch i fear... i think its very bad, that really good shots from movies which nobody knows gets a ranking about 6,00 - 7,00 and average/bad shots of well known movies gets a ranking with 7,00 - 8,00. For example 74074 or 74094, its a shame they got under 7,00 because nobody knows it. I often give good shots with low solves a 10 and average/bad shots with high solves a very low rating to balance the in my mind unfair downrating of good shots from unknown movies. Good Shots from well known movies gets of a course a high rating!

Maybe it's an idea to implement a rewardingsystem if you've voted high on shots that go through to the FF. For example, you vote 9 on one shot and 3 on another and when both shots go to the FF you get extra WTM-bucks for the one you voted 9. The accuracy of your voting should be rewarded if it's in accordance with the WTM shotuploading device.

This may be a drive for the voters to vote fairly. And, when we're rewarding users, we can 'punish' them because of unfair voting. In the example above, the 3-vote of the shot may be unfair (because for the rest of the community or mods the shot is awsome) and that user should lose some WTM-bucks.

I hope my message is understandable!

I think it's a bad idea. It only encourages more people to vote high on PotC, LotR, Johnny Depp etc. because there's a very good chance they will easily make it to FF.

But we do not send people to the Gulag if they cheat... They just get a horse's head :P

So, the last three shots I uploaded received low ratings. All three of 'em. It's getting kind of frustrating. The first one could, as Asmodai mentioned, be considered a character shot, and I know that people tend to vote low on those, but the other two, http://whatthemovie.com/shot/76579 and http://whatthemovie.com/shot/76592, are not shots I'd consider character shots, and they're not bad quality/stretched/black bar'd or whatever.

I know it's practically impossible to do something about this, but man, it gets annoying if basically every single shot is getting a low rating for no apparent reason.

@sati
Someone put "shout is crap" for me... I only said it was a repost!!! http://whatthemovie.com/shot/48301

well then maybe it should be 'agree' 'disagree', not 'crap'?
also reviews - no matter how much I disagree or how poorly something is written I won't judge someone's work as 'utter bullshit' (is it?)

Both words are rather far from being constructive criticism :)
But why would whoever made those 2 options available assume It's ok to express one's opinion with such choice of words? I just don't know.

Just because it's jungle we don't all have to be animals:)

Yes I stated above it would be better, imho - "I disagree".
"Or are you just sore that someone has chosen the negative option, however it is worded ?" - I'm not gonna "crap" on that, I'm just gonna - WTF?
Aretha Franklin sang that wonderful song once....what was the title of it, gee If only I remembered :)

I'm WTFing 'cause you got me - clearly I will not find peace until every single user agrees with me :):):)
Seriously, it's only about wording, I think the option is cool

I usually react before seeing winks :D I'm blinded from solving shots, sorry:D

@ PPKNHoneyB

There is no need for voting to be public. All that will do is cause revenge votes and hard feelings etc... People are less likely to vote what they truly feel if they feel their vote is being judged etc.. And besides, no-one can tell anyone else how to vote on what shots etc.. If someone thinks a shot is a one, they can vote a one. There is no set scale and its all subjective.

However, with regards to multiple accounts etc... rest assured that the moderator team catch anyone who is using multiple accounts to cheat. It happens more than you think, but the offenders are caught and bans are applied, you just don't see it :)

When it says deleted user it is purely because the user deleted the account him/herself, not because of a ban.

I agree with you.

http://whatthemovie.com/shot/76140
That one got a real low voting, and then got magically accepted.
http://whatthemovie.com/shot/76859
This one I think has a real good ambiance, but a 6.84

I've got similar shots for more famous movies and it got accepted with really high ratings.

-edit- And how can my new shot have 5.71 with only 3 votes. That makes 17.13 voted. If I round that back to 17 and divide by 3 and round it down I don't get 5.71, but 5.67. How can that happen, can somebody give me some insight there?
-edit2- I wish I could delete my shots. After only 5 minutes it already has gotten a 5. I have to wait another 576 times longer just to see it won't get the high rating it already has now.

Well, then it's a sort of natural selection isn't it?

Although solver's votes count 3 times. To get such a low rating, the non-solvers also have to vote low.

Sure thing, Freudianspud =o
We all noticed the averages droped since the new voting system, but specifically this weekend it seems people are just having the most fun in rating low everything. I mean:

http://whatthemovie.com/shot/77698

Seriously, folks. And there are much more shots rated around 5~6 too o.o and that's, well, kinda scary.

Yeah, OK.

http://whatthemovie.com/shot/78767
This has now got even under a 6. But until this point only themooch solved it. It seems people are voting higher for the ones they solve. Like a 2,3 if you don't know it, and a 10 if you solve it. BUT how can there ever be done anything about it?

Maybe this is a good idea?

Maybe something like don't count the top 5% and the lowest 5% of the votes.
So with 100 votes and 5 times a 10 and 5 times and the rest a 9 it would get: 8.65
Whereas if you leave the top and lowest 5% it would get a 9.
Of course it scales over the whole range, but the extreme voting will be gone.
It's still NOT useless to vote 10s and 1s as otherwise 9s and 2s won't be counted.

@energ
I think that's a bad understanding of the rules. The ranking of the best shots is not calculated on the same hour than your upload but on the last 24 hours. If you want to have this (bad) behaviour, you have to give a low vote to all the shots posted in the same 24 hours than yours.

"but the shots posted in the same hour are rivals for the best rating"
yes, but it doesnt matter that much, if your shot has a high rating it will go through anyway.
i think the whole idea doesn't make much sense, sorry.

the rating should be private until the shot goes through ff, maybe also the uploader... the lesser the visiblity of who and how much, the higher the honest rating or not?

Well, I don't know what to say anymore because most of the things I think I already said or have been mentioned by others ;)
But since I was away every once in a while, I realised, the rating dropped down at least one point... now a shot with 8+ in the end is much more rare then it was lets say half a year ago. Shots with 9+ even more.
First I thought, it could be a good idea that nobody sees the rating of a shot (not even your own uploads) until the 48 hours are over or the shot goes to the FF. Just make the rating invisible for everyone, even after giving a vote for a shot...
But... this also could cause people to vote every other shot low just because they want their shots to make it...
I think the real "problem" is, no matter what is done, you can't change people's voting behaviour... be it a fair or unfair ;)
For a long time I never rated my own shots because, of course that wouldn't be objective, anyways, after I mentioned it here, I got the advice to do so because almost everyone does it...
I think we just have to somehow learn to live with it that taste is different and the definition of fair sometimes is not known to everyone ;)
So in this case I think I just keep on trusting the moderators to make sure good shots that didn't get a good rating still make it to the FF ;)
And I believe there is nothing more we can do than to try to be fair ourselves when we rate shots...

But then again we had the problem that shots with none or just a few solves wouldn't get any chance to make it to FF(because too less or no votes)... and still, we have the mods to push through those shots with none or just a few solves because shots like that almost always get a low ranking ;) Believe me, talking from experience here ;)