I have something that I would like to ask all of you. It's about "the end shots". For me, "the end" shot is a shot of end screen (the end, fin, to be continued etc: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/52794 ). Do I understand it right?
But what with situation, when that kind of shot is not in the film. We leave it empty, or add last shot from the last scene (I'm personally am against it), like here: http://whatthemovie.com/movie/the_thing/snapshots (by the way, this film has "the end" shot with a title in it).
So what are your suggestions on the topic? What's the proper way of understanding "the end shot"? Thanks :)
I have to agree with Pinokio on this one. In my opinion "the end" stills should be reserved for shots which show "the end" or "fin" or "fine" etc... If the film doesn't have one it should be left blank, and anything between the title screen and the end screen, should be submitted as a normal contest image.
Good question Pinokio1983, so far we've been accepting also the shots from the last scene as well. I question also if we should allow them or not, I my self also posted a few (following the flow) I think if a movie doesn't have a real "end" shot, it is fine but it is also quite difficult to control so I dont know. If we don't allow them, we have to make it really clear to everyone cause it is not really the case now
I want to delete this shot: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/55980 because there is a real "the end" shot I want to upload instead, how is it possible to delete it? :)
m00ch: It's really hard to delete start title/end title shots, because no one normally checks em ;)! This shot is better right: http://whatthemovie.com/shot/73016
I want to raise the question again I know its allowed if the movie don't have a real end shot (FIN or THE END) you can also upload the last shot of the movie
but In my opinion such shots need to be in the FF and not in the end shots
I agree with you LordMyst, and I didn't know we were allowed to upload the last shot, I thought it was only shots with "directed by..." or "in memory of..." or something that really marks the end of the movie.
BTW, I haven't seen Inception yet, I'm still waiting for my Bluray, so please stop uploading shots from it ;)
I agree, I'd prefer a 'there is no the end/end title'. Those shots are often very good, and I think they don't really add something to the movie page as an end shot.
A quick reminder here: If the title of the movie can be seen only at the end and not at the beginning, upload it as the Start Title anyway. And DO NOT upload the same shot as the End Title.
As for "final movie shots" used as End Title shots, I agree: it's too bad when a good shot is used for an End Title shot without going through FF first. When it happens, I think it would be OK to: take the "proper" End Title shot, ask a mod to delete the previous one and then upload yours. By the way, even "The End" shots are sometimes worth going through FF. And they are not breaking any rules (plus they can always be assigned as End Title shots later), which means they should not be voted for deletion. If you think they're not worth going through FF, just rate them as you would rate any other shot for which you think the same.
What he said in his last sentences. If your shot is a great shot, which just happens to be an end shot, please upload it the normal way and assign it after 30 days.
I agree with the option "there is no the end/end title" but what should we do with all those shots which have already been assigned and don’t fit this rule?
There are no rules needed! In fact, you people act like there is a rule that all title shots should be uploaded directly as a title shot, but this isn't true! Anyone can upload any title shot into NS/FF, and after 30 days assign it as a title shot to the movie. I really don't see your problem.
I don't care that much if there is one nice shot lesser uploadable in NS. But I do care about people taking a nice end-shot, uploading it and waiting until it might get deleted because there is no consens on what is a proper end-shot and what is not. You can't let people spend time on something and tell them afterwards what they did was wrong and it will be removed but that there is no rule they can follow to avoid this next time.
Some of my end-shots are last shots of the movie without text, too. I'm ok with them being deleted now if there is a clear rule stating a end-shot has to have some kind of text on it. But it's no fun to wait until someone likes the end-shot, wants to try it in NS and organized four friends to delete it (then I guess the inofficial rule would be like "Only upload ugly last shots." - very subjective)
So to ensure I won't upload end-shot that are legally deleteable anymore, I'd like to ask: which of the following are proper end-shots (especially 5-7)?
1) "the end"/"fin"/"to be continued"etc. 2) (second occurrence of) the title of the movie 3) "directed by.." 4) "Asmodai went on to become the leader of the free world." I'd think it is up to the uploader to decide which one out of 1-4 fits best. Or is there a priority to follow within these? If none of the four above is available I think one may upload: 5) "directed by.." from the start-credits (really not sure on that, but I saw some films recently where this would be the best option) 6) end-credits rolling in the last shot or in some nice background-design 7) end-credits rolling on black ground
Before I read the thread I thought it was ok to upload a last shot if there are no shots like 1-4. But if number 5-7 are fine there would be no need to upload a last shot without text, basically every movie has those. Especially No. 7 looks ugly, but that will just perfectly represent the end-titles of the movie then ;)
And regarding the Despicable Me shot .. there is a "directed by"-shot directly after that one in the movie, so it would even be wrong according to the old nonexisting rules :)
And now serious, with my previous post I meant that there were no rules needed forcing people to upload "nice" end shots in NS. There are of course rules needed for what counts as a title shot. In my opinion these are: 1,2,3,6,7. Your number 5 is no option in my opinion, the shot actually has to come from the end. I prefer to avoid 6 and 7 by taking the last shot before the rolling titles. Also, be aware that sometimes the title shot is at the end title, BUT you can't use this shot for both title as end title shot.
So you wouldn't say 4 is a propper end title? I always though shots that tell you what happend to the protagonists after the end of the film are obvious choices for end titles (at least if there's not shot of category 1 available). And there are already some shots of that kind assigned as end titles, like http://whatthemovie.com/shot/59246 or http://whatthemovie.com/shot/88673