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    • CommentAuthorkinoute
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2012
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    This is a temporary solution and there is no 100% effective solution against GI. But i agree with you, we can maybe make a contest without prizes for now and we'll see after how it goes when i'll add more & more protections against those tools.
    • CommentAuthorJules5
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2012
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    Good call :)
    • CommentAuthorRDPL55
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd 2012
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    @kinoute yes a small contest just to see how it goes now... Perhaps chose a theme which make the GI's use more difficult, shots with close-up, details or without actors (well known actors of course) are often more dificult for GI... I remember themes like "legs and feet" or others that might be difficult to solve with GI...
    • CommentAuthorkinoute
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd 2012 edited
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    Ah yeah id really like a contest about legs & feet !!
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      CommentAuthorefji
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd 2012
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    The only GI-free contest is a new "draw the movie". I love them!
    • CommentAuthorPzy
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd 2012
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    I agree with efji, and that's the best conest anyway. :)
    • CommentAuthorkinoute
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2012
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    I agree this is the only real contest where GI is useless but we can't make two in a row, its too much :/

    Nobody has others ideas ? I think "Legs & Feet" is great personally. I'm pretty sure we can find a theme on the last pages here where GI/Tineye wont be so powerful.
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      CommentAuthorFamilyGuy
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2012
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    kinoute: ... but we can't make two in a row, its too much :/
    Why? I don't get it...
    • CommentAuthorMisterZob
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2012
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    Actually we could. We just don't want to.
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      CommentAuthorMicron
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2012
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    I think draw the movie once per year is good. It's kind of a tradition to do it in October. If you do it too often, some movies will be used multiple times and they won't be very original.

    Good subjects that are (more) difficult with GI:

    Legs & Feet
    Phones
    Guns

    Subjects with probably beautiful shots, but also easier to find with GI:

    Skylines
    Landscapes
    • CommentAuthorFireball
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2012
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    I agree, no draw the movie contest again please for quite some time...we have such a big list of so many good suggestions, so let's use them and bring some diversity into the contests.

    Personally I would love to see a scene transition contest one day, but I am fine with really any subject from the list. :)
    • CommentAuthorMisterZob
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2012
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    Yeah, the transition (crossfades/dissolves, whatever you call them) shots might be tricky for GI. I'd go for that one too.
    • CommentAuthorElinka
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2012
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    muzzle shots
    lens flare

    landscapes :D
    • CommentAuthorJules5
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2012
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    I'd like a jewelry contest or the landscapes one.
    • CommentAuthorkinoute
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2012
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    Lets make at least a list of six themes we all agree and i'll make a poll here!

    so far: landscapes, skylines, transition (crossfades/dissolves), legs & feet ??
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      CommentAuthorefji
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2012 edited
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    If landscapes and skylines are candidates, I could add "planets", "spaceships", or more generaly a theme that includes all the above ones:
    "BORING"...
    • CommentAuthorkinoute
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2012
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    ahah
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      CommentAuthorTao
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2012
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    If you do legs & feet you should call it the Tarantino Contest.

    What about color themes. Or, opposite landscapes and skylines, a close-up theme.
    I like the phones suggestion, too.
    • CommentAuthorElinka
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2012
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    smoking- fog- mist- ?

    or the "not that one"..
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      CommentAuthorZythux
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2012
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    I love transitions, but I think that's a hard theme that needs some preparation (2/3 weeks?) to get good shots.
    • CommentAuthorbius
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2012
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    What about a video clip contest for change?
    And there's a lot of famous directors from the video clips who passed into cinema but maybe it will be too much tricky to make it feasible with the database!
    • CommentAuthorMisterZob
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2012
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    @bius: sorry, but this is not what WTM is about, and it would mess up our database big time... Which means: NO.
    • CommentAuthorMaxi
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2012 edited
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    Cabs (taxi)
    Trains
    Planes
    Ships

    or altogether
    • CommentAuthoraaaaalex
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2012
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    and what about couples? there is a lot of pictures, since the creation of the cinema! :) (i'm thinking about the opening of "cinéma de minuit" )
    • CommentAuthorkinoute
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2012
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    GI is too powerful, it gives you the name of every actor/actress on a shot :(
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    Feet, shoes, footprints.
    or
    Sea, river...
    or
    Animals, insects.
    • CommentAuthoraaaaalex
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2012
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    arf
    • CommentAuthoraaaaalex
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2012 edited
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    and literature in movies? people reading of writing? or all about books?
    • CommentAuthoraaaaalex
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2012 edited
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    okay, i just read i could make a list.. sorry :)

    so :
    - books
    - people from back
    - agree with Elinka, a not that one could be great!
    - TV in movies
    - cinema in movies (people watching movie in a cinema)
    - painting in movies
    - monsters
    - clocks
    - a color contest? about one color for example or a couple of colours?
    - flora in animation movies, or another theme especially in animation movies
    • CommentAuthorAsmodai
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2012
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    Colors: http://whatthemovie.com/vault/4
    TV in movies: http://whatthemovie.com/vault/2

    Not saying that we can't do them again, since these came from the start of the vault (one technically predates it...), but just reminding that some topics have already been done.
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      CommentAuthorefji
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2012 edited
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    The color vault was really great. It was the first one on wtm if I remember well (or the second one after "shadows").
    It could be a good idea to make a contest based on a single color.
    And maybe less boring than large series of feet or clocks.
    • CommentAuthorbius
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2012
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    Agree for a new color vault,it must be very cool!
    • CommentAuthorCircee
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2012
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    Yes colors are a good idea ... Spring is coming soon with yellows, flashy greens, and deep violet blue ...I was also thinking to the art motifs like
    carpets, materials, wall tile (for exemple the scene of the restaurant in "the man who knows too much"). Even scarfs or curtains ...
    If there is a "living" detail , like hands, foots , animals, plants ... even dead body or anything else that reminds us something more
    than a special design , more fun !
    • CommentAuthorkinoute
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2012 edited
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    So what we know : it's gonna be a contest without prizes

    What would be cool : a theme where GI could be less powerful than usual

    What themes people seem to want :

    - Colors
    - Transitions
    - Landscapes/Skylines (dunno if its an unique or two different themes)
    - Close-ups
    - Legs & Feet
    - .. ?

    I need at least six themes to make a poll here, 10 is a maximum. Come on regular players of contests, give us your ideas!!

    I'd love to launch the poll on monday for a week, then announce/start the contest after the results
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      CommentAuthorZythux
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2012
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    I like close-ups and transitions. Maybe there could be some more film techniques like only shots in bird's-eye view.

    I'd also like a black&white contest, not with shots of black&white movies, but with only shots that are mostly white or black, I think that would give a really nice effect. Some examples of my own shots:
    http://whatthemovie.com/shot/115479
    http://whatthemovie.com/shot/87028
    http://whatthemovie.com/shot/87015
    http://whatthemovie.com/shot/192431
    http://whatthemovie.com/shot/43773
    • CommentAuthordoooom
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2012
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    I think silhouettes would make a very nice theme. Just look at some of the shots with the silhouette tag http://whatthemovie.com/search?page=1&q=silhouette&t=tag . But i don't know how good GI would work on that kind of a theme.
    And no: Silhouettes are not the same thing as shadows.
    • CommentAuthorFireball
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2012
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    Maybe some "movie in movie" contest could be also something where GI is less powerful

    For example a famous scene of a movie which is shown in another movie...when you use GI it will probably show you the original movie but not the correct movie with this movie reference. (at least when this scene is in full frame)

    When it comes to colours I would agree with efji that we should make contests regarding one colour, for example smaller contests like "Red", "Blue", "Green", "Yellow" etc.

    More normal themes I like to see one day:
    - underwater
    - crying beauties
    - Silhouettes
    - upside down
    - tattoos
    - famous people
    - money & jewelry
    - Gore 2 :)
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      CommentAuthorZythux
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2012 edited
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    If you could use GI to get the original movie, you could use this to get the right title too (IMDB movie connections).

    edit: Underwater and silhouettes would be great, indeed.
    • CommentAuthorMaxi
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2012 edited
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    kinoute: Come on regular players of contests, give us your ideas!!
    **

    Once again:
    means of transport

    Cabs (taxi)
    Trains
    Planes
    Ships
    or altogether

    peace :)
    • CommentAuthorWinterwolf
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2012 edited
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    @kinoute
    "So what we know : it's gonna be a contest without prizes"

    i hope no prizes is just for solver, not also for uploader



    and now as you wanted, here my opinion. i am not an GI expert, i tried it just sometimes... so i am not sure, but i think this themes should be not totally easy for GI:

    - Money, Gold bullion and Jewellery
    - Underwear (no faces allowed to see too)
    - Interstates/Streets etc. at birdeyes sight (i think its really hard to use GI for it, because you find it not only in movies, you find it everywhere in holiday pictures etc.)
    - same with "planes" and
    - "clock and watches"


    Also like:
    - Underwater
    - Silhouttes/Skylines
    - Fading

    Don't like:
    - Colors: i don't like this idea, because i am really annoyed about this monochrome shots like
    http://whatthemovie.com/shot/44762
    http://whatthemovie.com/shot/117410
    • CommentAuthorAsmodai
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2012
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    With these monochrome shots the (unwritten) rule always was that they should be solvable. The color of the shot has to make sense in regard to the movie.
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      CommentAuthorefji
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2012
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    @Asmodai

    http://whatthemovie.com/shot/44762
    http://whatthemovie.com/shot/117410 (672 solves!!)
    http://whatthemovie.com/shot/32686

    as well as other monochrome funny shots were solvable since they have been solved by so many players :)

    @Winterwolf
    By "colors" I don't mean monochrome shots but shots with a given dominant color.

    I think it could assure to have a great variety of shots and movies with a visual unity when you'll look at the overview.

    imho a very restrictive topic leads to very boring contests. Like "gore" "picture in picture" or "food & drink".

    BTW maybe a restriction to 2 uploads per supporter and 1 per regular player could avoid 300+ shots per contest...
    • CommentAuthorAsmodai
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2012
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    efji: exactly my point, all those shots are perfectly solvable :) Maybe the third one less, but the black and orange ones are totally logical solutions.
    • CommentAuthoralex68
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2012 edited
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    Since I have to skip the next one, i really hope it's NOT about one of my personal favorite themes (lol):

    - extreme close-ups/detail shots
    - toys
    - underwater
    - animals
    - geometric shapes (every kind of objects, etc.)
    - school-related
    - legs & feet (especially female :) )
    - fruits
    - buildings or monuments
    - statues/sculptures

    something more difficult:

    - distorted reflections or blurry images, but probably not an eye candy contest...
    • CommentAuthorAsmodai
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2012
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    May I suggest Bats?
    • CommentAuthorRDPL55
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2012
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    I have the ugliest bat shot ever in my vault... :) That could be a great occasion...
    • CommentAuthorWinterwolf
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012
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    @asmodai @efji

    yes some easy ones, but last time i saw some monochrome shots in NS, which run out of time with 0 or 1 solver... its annoying if you try 10-15 logical movies and nothing works
    • CommentAuthorkinoute
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012
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    Ok so for the poll :

    - Color(s)
    - Transitions
    - Landscapes/Skylines (dunno if its an unique or two different themes)
    - Close-ups
    - Legs & Feet
    - Underwater
    - Silhouettes
    - Transports
    - Animals
    - ?

    Do i need to add more ? About the color(s) theme, i really dunno, i mean if we have to choose one color or let the uploader decide. Efji, you're talking about boring themes, is a theme with only one color won't be boring ...? At least the vault made by Chrisy was great, with a lot of different colors, see the amazing overview : http://whatthemovie.com/vault/4/overview

    Or i could add two different themes, One color, and colors ?
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    Maybe add "draw the movie" in case the people want it again !
    • CommentAuthorfabrizio
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012
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    My vote goes to these suggestions: Crossfades (although I haven't any shot for this, since I use to avoid them) and reflections (mainly in mirrors).